When I started researching the history of F.E. Olds and Son about 30 years ago, there was very little known about the early years of this company. I interviewed several former employees but was unable to get any specific dates of model introductions much less exact serial numbers. With the little information that I had and making a few guesses, I put together a few serial numbers with dates. When two pre-war catalogs came to light, I made guesses as to their dates. When others became interested in Olds history they added to what I had done.
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These were all honest attempts at adding to our knowledge, but unfortunately my early errors were magnified rather than minimized. This was becoming more apparent in the last couple of years, especially when Dale Olson found out that fellow Olds alumni, Howard Wilson had an archive of photos and information that he saved when it was being thrown out.
This included two log books with production or shipping records of some of the earliest Olds trumpets. I decided that we were overdue for a careful look at all the data that we had. I put together all of the relevant information from Dale Olson as mentioned, Alan Rouse of Olds Central, Eric Hamlin of The Olds Register and known catalogs in various collections. The following is what I have come up with. Please contact me with any additions and corrections. Some known dates stated below may be production or shipping dates and others are sales dates. Some are guesses based on models shown in catalogs, using earliest known examples.
The rest are guesses based on rational analysis of production increases. The catalog that we previously dated 1930 or 1931 is after 1933 based on reference to Radio City Music Hall which opened that year. The catalog that was previously thought to be about 1930 (because I had guessed that a slightly later catalog was about 1932) is actually after the 1935 patent (applied and granted that year) covering the fluted trombone slide tubes that are introduced therein. Another catalog is actually dated 1939 and shows the Radio model cornet but still does not introduce the Super Recording trumpet and cornet. Please let me know of any other data that will increase the correctness of this list.
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An early 1945 date would be especially useful. The last date below is based on Uan Rasey's memory of getting his Recording model trumpet during his first year at MGM. As more instruments are entered in The Olds Register database we can make more connections.
For instance, I know that the Recording cornet was redesigned in January of 1948 but the earliest that we know of so far is 53,871 and I'm guessing that it was made a year or so later and we will find earlier examples in the future. Please enter all of your Olds trumpets and cornets into database so we can all learn more. A serial number list from 1952 until the end of production was provided by Olds in the 1970s and has been included in the Allied Supply catalog since then is still believed to be completely accurate. This list appears on a number of websites as well.
Trombones trumpets 1915 260 1920 1260 1923 4000 1925 6000 1927 7000 1928 1 1929 101 1930 7300 175 1931 7700 285 1932 8000 500 1933 8250 700 1934 8500 1228 1935 8750 2000 1936 9500 2710 1937 1938 1939 1940 1941 1942 5 1943 5 1944 0 1945 5 1946 0 1947 0 1948 0 1949 9 1950 70000 Mar. 1952 73000 July 1952 80000 Feb. 1953 90000 Trumpet/Trombone Lists Merged into One Jan. 1954 100000 Aug. 1955 150000 Nov. 1956 200000 July 1958 250000 Sept.1959 300000 June 1960 350000 March 1962 400000 Feb. 1964 450000 Feb.
1965 500000 June 1966 550000 June 1967 600000 June 1968 650000 June 1969 700000 June 1971 750000 June 1972 800000 Oct. 1973 850000 Nov. 1974 900000 April 1976 950000 Sept.
1976 970000 March 1977 990000 Sept. 1977 999999 Jan. 1978 A06741 Jan. 1979 A40550.
1947 Ambassador introduced at around 27,000. 1954 Trombone and trumpet serial number lists merged.
1955 production moved from LA to Fullerton (between 149,6xx, 150,3xx). 1956 eliminated large-shank mouthpiece receiver on cornetss (189,611).
1958 redesigned Ambassador cornets & trumpets. Pinky ring changed to hook, bracing changed.(246,5xx and 248,8xx). 1964 Alliance with Norlin Music (450,000). 1979 July 13th, production ceased (A41000) Sources.
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